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Bushings
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On 9/14/2009 zakariahunbelievable
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How are styles of barrel bushing and tall cone and now "hourglass" at handling speed. I would want the firmest ride, but how do bushings match up when used in Randals and Gullwings? For a better idea of whether there is a difference, companies I've seen employing the tall cone are making all around turning boards, but where do the barrels fit in?
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Virage Trucks
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On 9/10/2009 samg
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A stressed model yesterday:[img:3dwoubk4]http://hollywoodbackw ash.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/skinny-mod el.jpg[/img:3dwoubk4] [img:3dwoubk4]http://rlv.zcache.com/s tressed_spelled_backwards_is_desserts_tshirt-p235 700732457924530qw9y_400.jpg[/img:3dwoubk4]No front or rear bumpers before catastophic failure. Far better to use the 'If it doubt, beef it out' engineering policy. And as for studs......we'll do the riding.You set 'em up!
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Virage Trucks
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On 9/10/2009 michael
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[quote:8xzyewx4]Octane probably has stress modelling data and testing from the engineers to support the original design.[/quote:8xzyewx4][quote:8xzyewx4]Need a heavyweight tester yet? Have you asked Mig?[/quote:8xzyewx4]I shall use the 'Swiss Cowbell' Method for weight testing.[img:8xzyewx4]http://img.photobuc ket.com/albums/v317/mstride/25042009995.j pg[/img:8xzyewx4]The bushing ring will have a spherical bearing in it. The pivot will be a milled spherical similar to the current Virage pivots. Self lubricating brass is nice, (Oilite or similar) but Im keen to mill the hanger in one piece rather than use studs.
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Virage Trucks
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On 9/10/2009 samg
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The machining on the original Virage pivot allows for a comparatively thick neck from the hanger to the ball, so should be pretty sturdy:[img:2kczjcxn]http://farm4.static& #46;flickr.com/3586/3393790730_965787dfee. ;jpg[/img:2kczjcxn]A secondary option might be to put in a self-lubricating brass pivot as did Geezer-X on his Bennet upgrades:[img:2kczjcxn]http://farm1.stati c.flickr.com/177/476243743_adc883c969. ;jpg[/img:2kczjcxn]Given that the Virage intention is to provide high performance at reasonable cost, this might be an unnecessary step too far. Octane probably has stress modelling data and testing from the engineers to support the original design.Sam
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Virage Trucks
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On 9/10/2009 pre-school rider
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As I had mentioned (to you, elsewhere) Micheal, that I hoped the trucks from the past (like Lazer  ) could guide the future truck designs, preferably without the idiosyncracies that plagued so many worthy attempts. It looks good so far (of course, some of the geometry isn't shown so clearly, so I'm guessing a bit  ), just be sure that the pivot point is not too small/weak. ACS pulled it off by their pressure-casting method, wherein the aluminium is dense enough to not tweak. I've bent older (not Vector) Bennetts, and cracked the bushing ring too. No such issues with ACS (though I hate the axle tolerances).  , and none so far from Proccers (but they've got baseplate issues  ). Avoid all those olden problems, and you'll have it done Right!  Need a heavyweight tester yet? Have you asked Mig? 
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Virage Trucks
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On 9/8/2009 paul k
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need a heavyweight test pilot!!
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Virage Trucks
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On 9/8/2009 samg
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Yes.It's on the cubicle wall in the Hyde Park Seaman's Mission, just below the Hemingway Glory Hole.Luke's never seen it. He's always gone straight home.
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Virage Trucks
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On 9/8/2009 michael
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[quote:2e1jfbf7] If we take the pivot pin to be pointing in the direction of the turn axis, then do the strengthening shoulders around the upper bushing seat clear the bushing itself? [/quote:2e1jfbf7]Yes![quote:2e1jfbf7] then do the shoulders effectively work as turn limiters? [/quote:2e1jfbf7]No![quote:2e1jfbf7] Need a lightweight test pilot? [/quote:2e1jfbf7]Got Robs number? 
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Virage Trucks
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On 9/8/2009 samg
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Damn!If we take the pivot pin to be pointing in the direction of the turn axis, then do the strengthening shoulders around the upper bushing seat clear the bushing itself?It looks like the angle is step enough so that no pinching will occur. Equally, if they do, then do the shoulders effectively work as turn limiters?I see you've kept the unique Virage reverse axles for a cleaner bearing running surface. That'll certainly push the 4D machinists. Nothing if not adventurous!Need a lightweight test pilot?Sam
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Virage Trucks
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On 9/8/2009 michael
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Cheers Sam...yes thats true, we are working on the new Virage 'Vite' , the quick turning version based on Bennett/Lazer angles, grade 8 Kingpins, Khiro pivot cups, and retaining the Virage philosophy of inbuilt wedging and riser, the perfect machined ball pivot and spherical bearing in the hanger, left and right handed threading on the axles, and the unique 8mm axle system that eliminates speedrings and is proving to be an excellent way of getting very smooth bearing fitment and running. We are pleased to have introduced something a little different into the high end truck world.The Virage 'Vite' will be available as seperate Hanger or Baseplate as they are compatible with other trucks. Some riders will want a simple upgrade path, buying the baseplate first. I think something we have learned from the Slalom and LDP versions that eliminating risers as far as is possible makes for a very direct response. One reason why the trucks are taking a little time to develop is my machinists have bought a four axis milling machine and are keen to use the Virage as their test item to see how they can use the extra facility to machine efficiently and with style. But we are really not far off having them ready. We are also working on the Virage 'Vitesse' for downhill speed. Expect something a little different, with 8 and 10mm axles. [img:3kg2ksxr]http://img.photobucket. com/albums/v317/mstride/mmmmm.jpg[/img:3kg2ks xr]
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GOG
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On 9/8/2009 jgalac
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Those trucks give me this warm tingly feelinginside.. Honestly, I think GOG's are proboblythe best made, best high performance trucksyou can get.. I'm drooling on the keyboardjust looking at them.. 
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GOG
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On 9/7/2009 samoa
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[quote="Cat":l46f2jw2][img:l46f2jw2]htt p://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z125/ sk8grl48/gognewtruck2-1.jpg[/img:l46f2jw2][im g:l46f2jw2]http://i189.photobucket.co m/albums/z125/sk8grl48/gognewtruck-1.jpg[/img :l46f2jw2][color=#0040FF:l46f2jw2]Adjusting is much easier now![/color:l46f2jw2][/quote:l46f2jw2]awesome. ganz toll!
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GOG
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On 9/7/2009 cat
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[img:19lqqb6x]http://i189.photobucket. ;com/albums/z125/sk8grl48/gognewtruck2-1.jpg[ /img:19lqqb6x][img:19lqqb6x]http://i189.p hotobucket.com/albums/z125/sk8grl48/gognewtru ck-1.jpg[/img:19lqqb6x][color=#0040FF:19lqqb6 x]Adjusting is much easier now![/color:19lqqb6x]
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Galacized Bennett Trucks
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On 9/7/2009 jgalac
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I had to clarify one thing: They are actually spelled "Galacized",there is no S... Thanks for posting theseChris.. I'm getting ready to start getting thefirst batch rolling today... I have many hours of workahead of me to make these puppies Schmoove...
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Galacized Bennett Trucks
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On 9/7/2009 samoa
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Imagine getting a FINISHED Bennett!!![img:2gvrk9vq]http://www.galacl ongboards.com/galacizedbennett4.jpg[/img: 2gvrk9vq]check out the GALACized Bennett - click[url:2gvrk9vq]http://www.galaclongbo ards.com/galacized.html[/url:2gvrk9vq]The set I rode on proves that getting rid of sand casting grit where the bushings meet the metal and the pivot cone in the cup... smooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooth !more details[url:2gvrk9vq]http://picasaweb.goo gle.com/chris.yandall/GALAC962009#slidesh ow/5378582132004660898[/url:2gvrk9vq]
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Virage Trucks
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On 9/7/2009 samg
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http://www.octanesport.co.uk/shop/truck ... rucks.html[img:oeoisqcb]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3659/3376982424_bd6ab0f9d3.jpg[/img:oeoisqcb] [img:oeoisqcb]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3552/3376170385_44a1c81c2a.jpg[/img:oeoisqcb][img:oeoisqcb]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3571/3376175263_c16c3e26ca.jpg[/img:oeoisqcb] [img:oeoisqcb]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3577/3376173863_72a198a5d8.jpg[/img:oeoisqcb]http://www.octanesport.co.uk/shop/truck ... rucks.htmlHeard they might be some machined variants in the pipeline.Should Twitter be trusted?...
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oops
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On 9/5/2009 herbn
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they're actually just really closeto indy height ,the indys i compared them to wern't exactly level.The hangers also seem to have almost no offset ,kind of like holeys.
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42 deg randal
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On 9/4/2009 herbn
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these trucks rule:) was just looking at them again ,they're actually lower than indys!if only we had these when i started longboarding, well the second time,modern. The axles are still real sloppy,to many threads,wheels(worth using) all have the same bearing spacing these trucks are good for selling biltins. I've seen short board trucks that were powder coated,and they painted over the axles,masking only the threads, it actually worked ad doesn't wear off for a long time,unless you were to let your bearings rust and spin on the axle.
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KJELL 182 Slalom Skateboard Trucks
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On 8/29/2009
Dennis Allgeier
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Does anyone have any information about KJELL 182 Slalom Trucks? These came on the Blizzard Super Slalom Skateboards back in the 70's. The boards were made by Roller Boards Inc. from Switzerland and sold in the US under Europa Skateboards out of New York City and sold through J.C. Penny Stores. I am in dire need of a set of these trucks. I own a Blizzard Freestyle deck with the issued KJELL 140 Freestyle Trucks and I own a Blizzard Super Slalom Deck but need the KJELL 182 Trucks. If anyone can help me out, I would greatly appreciate it.
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42 deg randals
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On 8/28/2009 herbn
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really cool,considerably lower than regular 50 deg randals,looks like they left the pivot as close to the board(near your feet)and turned the hanger on that axis until the kingpin was right up against the board and a safe amount of baseplate above the bushings. 42 degrees seems like is sort of a random number you wouldn't start out to make a truck have that angle,it's just something where form follows function, which seems like the right way to redesign a truck. I'll have to check axle to bearing fit,forgot about that,oh well ,run em with the biltins or get swiss with spacers. Randals new red bushings look cool to,hopefully they don't tear up like the old yellows.
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good Lord!
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On 8/27/2009 Michael
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Funny what you find on the internet:
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Not for Speed?
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On 8/17/2009 PSR
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Yup, I agree with Herbn here in that the "Randal" copies don't quite deliver what you'd call 'differential', or a distiguishing feature, that sets them apart. There's certainly differences, and rake, bushing choice (height + shape), ride height, slight changes in geometry and axle width are the main features of Randal's competitors. But, that said, those tweaks can deliver a "new" truck, even if it's pretty much cloned. Tracker's Fastrack certainly is a more manuverable-feeling truck, and has good stability, but I doubt the stability can be increased to anything like the levels of a Randal with a lower-angled baseplate. Bear is onto something in stability, maybe the lack of slop at the kingpin, maybe the rake in the 'low' position (it dosen't truly change the steering angle, just the sensitivity to lean input pressure), and I like the axles. Gullwing still needs work on what 8mm bearings are in terms of I.D. size, as their axles seem to always have ugly slop (even with Biltin bearings), and the trucks feel tippy (bushings?). So, while I've not been a fan of Randal's lack of focus on details like axle diameter, casting imperfections, ugly bushing washers, kingpins mounted inverted, and sticky-soft pivot cups, I applaud the subtle changes they've made in bushings, fit +_ finish, and of course the variety of baseplates and hangers that're available. Oh, and I've only broken one, at the baseplate, where the mounting holes are, and that occurred at high-ish speed on pot-holed roads, with my mounting hardware being 5mm metric grade 8.8, all on a chromoloy frame luge. Not the best 'endorsement', but other trucks would've folded much sooner, with uglier results at my end. If you make it to the bottom unscathed.... It's all good!
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they are not a speed truck
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On 8/17/2009 herbn
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comparing them to randle dh's for ultimate speed is kind of odd, randal speed trucks are also zero rake, their stability comes of course from their slack turning angle. If you took a randal dh hanger and put it on a 50 degreebase you would have similar ride to holeys,maybe taller. I think i like the bushings on holeys better.Randal should smooth out their castings ,i think it might make them stronger,well maybe only a bit more aero,they would look faster:)
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Geometry lesson
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On 8/17/2009 Michael
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the Holeys are turnier because their geometry is not a direct clone of the Randal. One reason is the hanger is not flippable, or rather it is, but there is no point as there is no rake, so the hanger trails more than a standard Randal config.. The bottom bushing is taller than Randals so does tend to give a softer turn with the right bushings, of which there are 5 duros to choose from. The bottom bushing is hourglass too.
You may find this interesting: Click here for link
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holey
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On 8/17/2009 herbn
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well,so how are the holey different,what is different about their geometry,not just "turnier" ,why? explain.
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